That family has plenty of non-JWs who would be more than willing to take care of those children. Only the mother and the oldest sister still are JWs. Didn't Tito's kid win co-guardianship over them? If Grandma's making them go to the Hall and service, then by all means separate from her. But the whole situation regarding their birth mother is just strange. By all accounts it seems that she was married to Michael for the express purpose of giving him a child, and when she couldn't have any more her usefulness expired. She seemed more than willing to give up all parental rights and have no contact with those children in exchange for a generous divorce settlement from Michael, and/or a monthly stipend. Based on her previous behaviour, I'm afraid the extravagant child support money that the estate provides to whoever is taking care of those children is Debbie's motivating factor here. I hope I am wrong and Ms. Rowe is trying to make up for abandoning her children in exchange for money so many years ago.
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Paris Jackson Puts Her Foot Down! No More Going Door-To-Door As Jehovahs Witness
by iamwhoiam inhttp://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/paris-jackson-prince-michael-jackson-jehovas-witness/.
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Freeminds 2.0 has launched
by Dogpatch intoday we are launching freeminds2.org.
this is stage 3 of a three part project spanning over 30 years since i left watchtower headquarters in 1980 and gave the 18 members of the then-governing body, including president nathan knorr and vice-president frederick w. franz.. the new site will be more blog/news oriented (and updated more often with articles, blogs and videos almost daily).. all of our previous sites, such as armageddonokies.com and watchtowerworld.org, randytv.com, exjws.net, and others will be incorporated into the previous freeminds site, which is currently being revised and converted from its joomla-based format to this wordpress format.
i am sure you will find it much easier to search for words, people, articles, and subject very easy.
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Thanks for your diligent work, Randy. I'll give the new site a look-through.
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What is the most damning watchtower publication?
by zound ini want to purchase a couple of vintage watchtower publications to help in my helping jw's break free.
some of the older ones are expensive or hard to come by - i know you can buy them on cd's but i'd like to own one or two of the "classics of propaganda"- some of the ones that speak for themselves as to the ridiculousness of this religion.. of course any magazine i pick up today speaks to me of the ridiculousness, but you need something much more hardcore for the jw's.. any recommendations?.
"children" has some pretty good quotes in it..
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Revelation - It's Grand Climax At Hand! was the publication that stumbled me the most. I could never get my head around the seven trumpet blasts in the Apocalypse being a series of JW conventions in the 1920's.
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Armenian government to pay out 112,000 euro to Jehovah's Witnesses
by Gayle inhttp://rapsinews.com/judicial_information/20130508/267305169.html.
euros to dollars: 112,000 = $147,533 .
(how can the wts claim these governments "persecute" them, when it is the wts with such "rights" and can win lawsuits/money from the governments) .
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The WTS is making the ECHR into its own grievance board. They must not mind using Satan's governmental apparatus for free publicity and money in the bank. I doubt any of it goes to the imprisoned JWs either. They probably will just pocket the money claiming legal fees for advancing these individual JW's causes and getting them out of jail. Nevermind it was their own policies which played a huge part in getting these guys into jail in the first place. Classic Rutherfordian tactics.
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Pumping up Field Service Time to the Billions of Hours
by RayPublisher inwe know that wt has been inflating the hours spent for a long time so that their "growth" looks good on paper and for bragging rights.
here is a quote from the 2008 km:.
*** km 9/08 p. 3 question box ***.
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I wish they'd just get off this shit about reporting time. If guilting people into preaching for them by time reporting requirements is their only way to distribute their literature, then this organisation has serious motivational problems. I think it's counter-productive and only encourages quantity over quality.
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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reslight2 - The Bible Student movement has continued to this day, but my contention wasn't that it is non-existent, but that they have largely faded away. They consist of many different splinter sects, from the Dawn Bible Students claiming 60,000 members worldwide to the Australian Bible Student sect claiming 100 members. So having several thousand members scattered worldwide under several different sects to me would define fading away. I can't see any way how they can be described as thriving.
If C.T. Russell had in your mind had very little doctrinal matter wrong, and this was backed up from the Bible, I'm unsure as to approach this subject with you. I would start with the changed dates for Christ's return and 1914 as the date for Armageddon, but I don't wish to belabour you with all these statistics since you already have formed your own opinion. Just because Russell claimed he was not a 'prophet' does not mean that he did not make false prophecies. That's like publicly making all kinds of scientific claims, and then buggering off all responsibility just because you never claimed to be a 'scientist'. He did admit privately that he was the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave', so take that as you will.
Russell did not insist on complete ideological control over his flock, and minor dissentions and differences were tolerated. For this reason I have chosen Rutherford as the major destructive force in the modern-day JW religion. So I am unclear as to why you are calling me to task about Russell, since my focus was on Rutherford. To believe that Russell was not a false prophet, you would have to honestly believe in 1914 as the date for Christ's return (invisibly) and then conveniently ignore that Russell claimed with utmost certainty that 1914 was the year for Armageddon. Do you believe this?
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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True, it would be too easy to treat men with relatively pleasant demeanours a bit more fairly than they should be treated. Russell was always looked upon as a grandfatherly type figure, and in person he seemed to be an amiable character. F.W. Franz also was popular among the Bethel crowd. On the other hand, Rutherford was and is an easy man to detest because he basically was a complete bastard to everyone he had dealings with. Knorr was probably second for his prudish manner and stern moral code. But for all of Knorr's faults, he had nothing to do with writing or the doctrinal part of it. When I think of the 1975 debacle, I don't think of him, but rather of F.W. Franz. As for Russell, he was a part of the original deception, and despite being proven wrong on so many things he stubbornly stuck to his belief that he was right. Even N.H. Barbour at one point gave up and let his magazine go out of print. Not Russell. He died thinking the Gentile Times had ended exactly as he had predicted.
But I'll keep to my pick of Rutherford, and I'll try not to let the fact that he was a complete asshole cloud my judgment. One of the worst aspects of being a Witness was the whole 'faith by works' dogma. I see it now as my ailing grandmother puts Watchtowers out by her bed and calls her unbelieving sisters in order to count her time. Russell didn't make door-to-door preaching as a pre-requisite to salvation. He had his colporteurs. Not Rutherford. Every man, woman, and child was expected to be on the front lines to do battle while he took luxury liners around the world. His obstinancy purposely started fights on the streets and in the courts, which is exactly how he wanted to publicise his JW reboot. Not that Knorr was much of an improvement, but at least he did remove the marriage ban and the field service quotas.
Rutherford to me took the crazed prophecies of Russell, the Knorr prudishness and stern business-like acumen, the intellectual condescension of F.W. Franz and wrapped it all up in a drunken racist douchebag package that was all about him. I can scarcely think of a decent quality Rutherford might have had. He took a organisation that wasn't even his and built a mansion for himself based on a convenient deception. While the others have had similar misgivings about them, none of them approach the level of grandiosity and pompous nature of that vile man.
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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2006? Wow, didn't know you've been around this long.
Woodworth, MacMillan, and Jaracz are good additions. Woodworth was the idiot who started the whole blood thing. He had a grudge against the medical establishment every bit as much as the Judge did against the clergy. MacMillan played a huge role in Rutherford's usurpation as he could have easily taken control himself and had the votes to do so. And good old Ted... everything I hear about the man makes me think asshole.
Interesting stuff.
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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Mine is Rutherford. The Bible Student movement of Russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other Russellite movements. Then Judge Joe decides to rebrand with 'Jehovah's Witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more. No man is more responsible for the JWs today as this man was. Everybody who followed was just trying to carry on his legacy.
There's no right or wrong answer. Any thoughts?
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Maybe he's looking for Joseph Smith's famed 'Reformed Egyptian' scripts.